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HadoukenDude

Age/Gender: 24, Male
Location: Caracas, Venezuela

don't forget to visit my other site: myspace.com/hadouken _dude. Some of my popular flashes are now available on youtube, my username there is hitthefloor729. Four Swords Misadventures 5 ready. Ep 6 (TBA) &7 (TBA) in progress. no due date just yet.

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HadoukenDude

How long is "too long"?

Posted by HadoukenDude Jun. 28, 2008 @ 2:46 PM EDT

You know, ever since I started working on my Four Swords series, my flashes have been getting progressively longer over time. Now I'm starting to question myself about how long an episode should be. I mean, when I made ep.4 I kept getting complaints that it was "too short" when it was barely over the 10 minute mark.

After reading these comments, I decided to work on longer episodes this time around. I wrote a long 3-part story arc which is basically counts as "one huge episode". This is why part 5 was nearly 16 minutes in length. Yes, I got carried away. I was having too much fun writing all this down. HOWEVER, after releasing ep. 5, I've been getting complaints that it's "too long".

I made part 5 longer than usual because fans wanted more and I decided to give them "more", even if it meant an additional 5or 6 minutes of story. Now some users are telling me that sometimes more isn't always better. Can you people make up your freakin' minds already?

It would be of big help if you guys would tell me how long an actual episode should be. This won't affect the length of the future 2 episodes currently in development, I'm only curious to know how much time does it take me to keep a user fully entertained.

I don't know if it's either that or style over substance, in other words, focusing more on story writing instead of the length. I need a clear answer here.

What do you think?

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53 Comments

Jun. 28, 2008 | 2:53 PM yoyo121 says:

i would say that over 15 is too long but under 7 is too short. thats what i think


Jun. 28, 2008 | 3:01 PM legendtobe says:

you should maybe make 10 minutes on each part. that seems long enough an not that short.


Jun. 28, 2008 | 3:06 PM NAveryW says:

If one gets bored during the 'toon, it's too long. That's the only measurement I really consider to be important. If it's entertaining the whole way through, the only limit is the file size (but if you want to have a two-hour Flash, you'd better have a scene selection option).


Jun. 28, 2008 | 3:18 PM Bacc says:

one problem is someone who's enjoying the story and then a "right on next ep of _____________" appears, that's short...
and the other problem is someone who is really into the movie, then it keeps going till the con are in much larger number than the pros, this person will say it's too long

it doesn't matter if it's 2 minutes or 2 hours long, if it's really good it's never going to be short or long (:

btw: the four swords is just perfect, keep up the good work


Jun. 28, 2008 | 3:29 PM FrozenFire says:

I think a good Range of Minutes for a Flash is

3 Minutes - 8 Minutes

3 is good if it's a short story with a cute little morale.
8 if it's a developed storyline.

Anything above 8 minutes usually gets corny and makes me not want to watch anymore.


Jun. 28, 2008 | 3:51 PM F3ARL3SS23 says:

What people judge an animation on, in my opinion is not about the length but how well it captures ones attention, If it is lengthy and boring no one is going to want to sit through it, if it is good but to short then pay no attention to the comments you will still have fans, who cares if they aren't satisfied with length! Do whatever makes you feel comfortable and only use feed back to help you improve not dictate how you are going to proceed in making your aniamtions. Ignore the fact that what i just wrote is an allusion to sex as well. HA GL!

Jun. 29, 2008 | 1:18 AM HadoukenDude responds:

"who cares if they aren't satisfied with length! "
Interesting observation. It's not the size that counts, but how you use it.

Heh, I love a good double entendre :P

Thanks for the comment.

Updated: Jun. 29, 2008, 1:19 AM

Jun. 28, 2008 | 4:16 PM Osuka says:

i think that 5 minutes is a good time for a flash movie, maybe 6 or 7
but i think that a good story can be done in 6 minutes

i liked the last episode of FSM, maybe a bit long but is funny to watch ^^


Jun. 28, 2008 | 4:28 PM Madmanonfire says:

Nothing is too long. As long as the flash is entertaining (and your flashes are always entertaining), the longer the better. There's your clear answer.


Jun. 28, 2008 | 6:09 PM Dazmi says:

My opinion is that a Flash Movie can never be too long.
As long as it has a scene selection


Jun. 28, 2008 | 6:40 PM uria96 says:

I personally don't care if they are too long or short your flashes rule, and they are some of my favorites!


Jun. 28, 2008 | 6:40 PM bryan1231 says:

im not much of a complainer im just about satisfied even if its too long or too short what matters is that the next episode is released i think thats what matters the most releasing the episodes are pretty important just make your flashes how long you want not like theyre going to ban you from newgrounds or something


Jun. 28, 2008 | 7:16 PM Freakster00f says:

Hey Hadouken, for me I don't care how long or how short it is, as long as you make them, it's fine for me. Keep them coming and I will be supporting you.


Jun. 28, 2008 | 7:25 PM Narusonra says:

Hadouken_Dude, flash movies are never "too long." In fact, I think that 15 minutes is really good. Those people who say it's too long are either big picky little jerks, or the series can easily be solved by making a scene selection part of the flash. That way, if a person doesn't have time to finish it, or if he or she just wants to see a part, then such will happen and no complaints. HOPEFULLY none, to be exact, but way less than anything about legth. That way, you could delay it so it's as long as a movie in a theatre.

Okay, maybe not THAT, but you see the point I'm making, right? Good luck on the rest of the series.

Jun. 29, 2008 | 12:00 PM HadoukenDude responds:

This series has developed a scene selection menu since episode 3.
Apparently, even with a scene selection, some can't stand to sit through a 13 + minute flash.
Oh well.


Jun. 28, 2008 | 8:11 PM FightingSeraph says:

It depends on the type of movie you're making, mow many frames per second, and how big. Then again, I haven't completed any flash movies yet.


Jun. 28, 2008 | 10:17 PM Sodaku says:

thats messed up manthen make it 13 minutes long


Jun. 28, 2008 | 10:35 PM greamer22 says:

an animation is never to long


Jun. 29, 2008 | 12:25 AM JonBro says:

You said 10 was 'too short' to people, and 16 was 'too long' so maybe you ought to go with 12 - 14 minutes.


Jun. 29, 2008 | 3:18 AM Shikamarana says:

Style over substance.

Don't think about how long it will be. Just write it.

However, if it starts to get to 10 or 12 or more minutes, you might be good off considering breaking it in to parts, if it's not inconvenient to the story.


Jun. 29, 2008 | 5:45 PM swanandrew says:

It's your work. How long or short they are is up to you, not us.


Jun. 30, 2008 | 1:33 AM chubbyguy says:

well i beleive a movie should be based on how good your other ones are so if you are a great flash creator you can make it really long but if you over did yourself on time then people will get to bored and if you under did yourself then people complain about it being short and it also depends on how good the episode is so with your talent i beleive you can do up to 18 minutes but try not to go under 5 unless it is a realy great flash and in final episodes you can sometimes make it even a mind blowing 30 minutes but it has to be realy good


Jun. 30, 2008 | 6:02 AM ganonslayer001 says:

they probaly say its too long because they want the next episode to come sooner.i think u shud make it at least 14 minutes.actually,just make it as long as u want.its all up to u on how long it is.


Jun. 30, 2008 | 6:31 PM dosdavonyos says:

The things people complain about these days..... I agree, It's ridiculous
10 minutes is more then enough time for one part in my opinion. I guess Some people just want to see more in one episode because they like the series so much.
On the other hand, you also get the whiney people who can't sit still long enough to watch something more then 10 minutes long.

What you really have to look into is how many are for long episodes against how many are for shorter episodes.
There may be a time length that both groups enjoy, but usually that's not the case.

For the time being, I think you should just make episodes as long or as short as you want them to be. After all, it's your series...

Anyways....
Good luck with the rest of your series! :D


Jun. 30, 2008 | 9:47 PM georgeforeman2 says:

Dude, screw what anyone says to you, and work on story. I would honestly rather spend my time watching a minute long video, so long as it had a good story, than a fifteen minute video thats story SUCKS! It is style over substance in a heart-beat. Think of it this way-would you rather have a metric ton of pillow feathers, over a pound of solid gold?

LOL, no one knows what they want! But, in all seriousness, I'd say twelve mintues is ideal. Enough to do what you want, and keep people happy.

Also, if your having a good time writing your script, KEEP GOING! Don't let something so stupidl as how long the thing is keep your inspiration down. This coming from a writer, let the story take you where it wants to go. You don't think os the story, the story just uses your own creative talent and mind to work itself into existance. Once, I had planned to write a ten page story, and it ended up being around thirty because the story practically took over me and forced me to continue!

So, in conclusion my fellow artist, you should definatley stick to style over substance, but if the story needs to add an extra minute or two, give in to it. Planned storys that you painstakingly work to keep short SUCK in comparison to a story that takes YOU, the writer, on the journey. I hope I've answered your question and you reflect on what I've taught you on this day.

Georgeforeman2

Jun. 30, 2008 | 11:13 PM HadoukenDude responds:

Wow, this is probably one of the best comments I've ever gotten.
I'll keep that in mind.
Thanks for expressing your constructive opinion about this topic.


Jul. 1, 2008 | 7:14 PM drool says:

well id say any thing between 10 and 13 minutes is a good length awaiting next 4 sword misadventure a fan drool


Jul. 2, 2008 | 8:25 PM Sonictherocker says:

Ya this kind of complaints must be a real pain in the ass like the other thing u said before, the "release dates", for me it's kinda difficult to say how long is enough cuz I liked all the episodes lenght, but I'd say the lenght of Ep. 4 would be good but it's up to u man keep up the good work


Jul. 3, 2008 | 1:46 PM shanik says:

Seriously,I think 10 minutes is good.


Jul. 3, 2008 | 10:03 PM Strikester64 says:

As a fan of your work, I can say that nothing is too short or too long, I think it's about right, actually. Because yeah, before it was short when you started LoZ FSM, but it became a fantastic series to like, no matter how long or short it is. I enjoyed it a lot, and waiting for the next eps is what I like doing lol. because out of all my fav flash artists, your one who would continue what you made, and it really is admirable :)! So in closure, nothing is too long or too short, it's always just right. And as far as the length of the eps go, do what you feel is right with the eps, make it as long or short as you want! From one of your fans, Strikester64


Jul. 3, 2008 | 10:18 PM wierdman51 says:

inbeetween 10 and 13 minuites long; a lot of peope on newgrounds have short attention spans


Jul. 4, 2008 | 3:04 AM spm010 says:

i think it should be long i think 12 to 15 min


Jul. 4, 2008 | 4:18 PM rosenhacker says:

As long as its over 6 minutes, I'll be happy
However, the problem is how long they take to come out
How are you coming with episode 6?
What percent have you finished?

Jul. 4, 2008 | 6:13 PM HadoukenDude responds:

I prefer to keep it a secret. It's much more fun this way. Well, to me it is.

All I can say is that it'll be out sometime this year.


Jul. 4, 2008 | 10:02 PM rizaadon007 says:

personally i like the fact that they're getting longer. that means more funny stuff for me to enjoy!

i can't wait to see what happens w/ Red link... :D


Jul. 5, 2008 | 5:03 AM R5-Reject says:

15 Min. is perfect and thats how it should stay ^^


Jul. 5, 2008 | 10:43 AM nikken6 says:

well, i think its just foolish if people say they want longer, but when they get it longer, they want it shorter. my thought is that they should be 14 mins long.
what you really should focus on is Funny jokes. like: "they work for the KFC!!" part.
that is parts you never get tired. you should make it like every episodes is something special. not 3 long episodes have the same jokes. that is why i love episode 2.1 where they get stuck in the japanese version. it's classic, its funny.
to get it simple: story longer and more funny. More jokes. more variation.
i love your series and your flashes. keep it up.


Jul. 5, 2008 | 7:06 PM dteice says:

um an average short episode for TV shows are 15 minutes counting commercials...my opinion you should make episodes that are like an hour but of course that would be a ton of animationa dn crap so about 15-20 is good enough


Jul. 5, 2008 | 8:52 PM SwordGuy107 says:

I don't really care about length, but for something like what you have going, I would try to aim for a 9-12 minute frame


Jul. 6, 2008 | 1:56 PM Leedove says:

I think there fine the way they are. I love the series.


Jul. 7, 2008 | 11:21 AM wierdman51 says:

guys think aabout what u are saing to long and it might take him a whole lot longer tan i should take him too short and we ont laugh our buts off of


Jul. 7, 2008 | 2:26 PM e-vil says:

i think the longer the better, and i liked the length of ep. 5, dont make them shorter


Jul. 9, 2008 | 10:02 PM evilmelia666 says:

I would say 12 - 14 minutes


Jul. 10, 2008 | 3:24 AM rosiea184 says:

I thought episode five was fine. I didn't think it was too long.
Same with episode four, I didn't think it was too short, just the right length to keep me laugh.
You shouldn't worry about making it 'long enough'. If you got enough of a story for a good episode full of laughs, then great.
10 minutes at least could probably satisfied a lot of people though, at least I think so..
Some people, like me, just want your episodes full of the funny entertainment they have, no matter how long. ^^


Jul. 10, 2008 | 3:57 PM paperparasonic2007 says:

Make it as long as you want. Dont let some NOOB tell you how long something should be. You can make it 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 2 hours, 4 1/2 seconds, Cow, Burger,
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Jul. 11, 2008 | 3:47 PM QJD says:

Ignore everyone who says it's too long. The longer the better.


Jul. 12, 2008 | 1:01 AM Shygon says:

I say as long as possible for those series!


Jul. 12, 2008 | 1:49 PM Muggshotter says:

15 minutes is great lenght for a sprite movie.For me,longer is better!
Why?Because I enjoy watching this series!^^


Jul. 13, 2008 | 12:01 AM Ilikepizza88 says:

your work's good, and you do know the real cojiro is blue, rigt? i made some cojiro sprites... but, you are great at this work! i make comics prefered... Animating's BOREING!!!! but cool... you should realy stick to youre great thoughts... if you want the cojiri sprites, contact me. and i can't wait for 6.


Jul. 13, 2008 | 3:23 PM ric3ball says:

The story plot is clear enough. The episodes need to be longer.


Jul. 14, 2008 | 10:46 AM Dino9995 says:

i dont care how long it is...if it comes out, im ok with it. the flashes are really cool so i dont care. =)


Jul. 15, 2008 | 8:39 PM choujiakamichi says:

dude idc how long it is jus as long as its funny as hell so stop playin with super cocks and post the next episode


Jul. 17, 2008 | 9:10 PM Ezrin says:

I enjoy your longer parts, but then again, I'm not easily distracted by some shiny object. I say make them as long as you need to. They're still funny and enertaining.

If you make them longer (with quality intact), you might lose some of your short attention-span-fans. How big of a loss is that to you? If they're shorter, does that cut into your creative ideas?

You just need to find your own common ground and not worry too much about what we all think. Either way, I'm sure the majority of your fans will still keep watching.


Jul. 18, 2008 | 4:25 AM BlackDevilX says:

I gotta say dude. Just go and do what YOU think is best. FFSX5 was 4 mins. FFSX6 was 15-20 mins. And yet it was TOO SHORT?! yehh...I think its how you capture attention honestly. I forgot who said it, but this person told me, "when you make something that grabs your attention, you tend to think its too short when it ends." To me, all your flashes seems short, thats because you keep my attention (which is hard to do) Only one thing i can suggest.

FULL LENGTH FEATURE MOVIE With EVERYTHING IN IT!!

XD


Jul. 20, 2008 | 8:17 PM jedigohan says:

Personal man I never thought any of them were too short or too long. A pause button would be nice though sometimes for some flashs here. It's just my opinion that no matter what you do you'll always get complients. It happens, you can't make everyone totally happy, but if there watching it and you get 4+ on your work that means it's a succes in my opinion.


Jul. 22, 2008 | 1:06 PM Knight-of-Dawn says:

you know in my opinion , a true fan shouldn't really care how long the episode is, but the fact that their is out already and they should be enjoying it. not complaining about it. but thats just my opinion


Jul. 22, 2008 | 8:46 PM redforman says:

you are from venezuela?

Jul. 22, 2008 | 10:26 PM HadoukenDude responds:

Yes, but that's completely off topic.

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